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Email: toddravery Freshwater
well i went to delair to look 4 minnows didn't see any then went to ta-cony bridge found them good sign of the stripers on the way water was crystal clear got my rods ready to go and the local store got the bloods in now we got this rain but after that i think we will c some fish starting to get caught happy fishing
Wed Mar 10 2010  
Email: Ed Delaware Bay
Got the word that short stripers getting banked at Fortescue. It's starting!!!
Wed Mar 10 2010  
Email: todd r avery Freshwater
well con-grads to the guy who got a bass at national park lets hope we have a banner year like last year the temps gotta come up to 53 and all heck should break loose you get your first catfish then the big stripper wont be far away i fish the apartments in Palmyra i do really well at the end of march and the 1st 2weeks of April lets get ready happy fishing
Wed Mar 03 2010  
Email: Donnie Brasco Freshwater
Went out to Round Valley reservoir yesterday 3-2-10 and tried for some trout. Didn't get any but saw 2 nice rainbows up to 25" pulled out in the area right at and around the boatramp. Alot of people were out in their boats and the ones who came in had done well. One guy said he was all the way across the lake and had action and the fish were up close to the shore in 2 feet of water - said the biggest he got was a 7 lb. rainbow - he also got lakers and browns. Most of the other guys were trolling with downriggers and hit some lakers and browns. The guys around the boatramp were all using bait - mealworms and marshmellows. I was using a small Phoebe and a small minnow plug fished slow - nothing - but fish were there.
Wed Mar 03 2010  
Email: Jsimms Comment/Question
Ok i caught a 24 inch pickerel on nightcrawlers on the bottom, my question is do they normaly bite nightcrawlers, and would they hit a silver spoon right now??
Thu Feb 25 2010  
Email: Bill Inshore
I have been out several times this winter, keep catching those pesky giant sea bass. Were over run with them, you think they would open a season on those things !
Sat Feb 20 2010  
Email: Stan Comment/Question

The commercial guys have ruined the fishing in all species and will continue until they are stopped, the state isn't doing anything so I guess that leaves ???

Stan: We're sure you mean well, but the problem isn't so simple and isn't all about commercials, and we don't agree that many of the fish populations, such as the fish at the wrecks that were talked about, are suffering. Some populations certainly are, but some certainly aren't.

You're correct that the state or government isn't really effective. An example is that NOAA Fisheries' latest proposed budget reduces money for surveys of the fish populations, and highly flawed and irresponsible surveys is the root of the problem. How they could do anything but spend more money on better science should make an angler speechless.

If the government isn't stepping up, who does that leave to solve the problem, you ask? Well, you, and us, recreational anglers. Nobody else.

Until individual anglers become outraged enough to influence the government to do a responsible job, this is going to get worse. Are you going to the Anglers Rally in Washington, D.C., at the Capitol on Wednesday? If not, why? Support as much as you can the angler organizations that are fighting this problem.  

Have you noticed the ridiculously poor fisheries management lately? Things like: the impossible fluke size limit; the winter flounder two-fish bag limit; the closure of the sea bass fishery, devastating to recreational fishing this winter, followed by the government's admission that the sea bass population is not overfished, they made a mistake; and the recent declaration that N.J. is out of compliance on sharks, a threatened moratorium on sharking?

You call that management? What is left to fish for? We call that mismanagement. Hard to believe the management could get worse than it was.

Do something about it, Stan, if you're not already.

Again, who does that leave, you ask? You and all of us recreational anglers, and nobody else.--FRN

Wed Feb 17 2010  
Email: rob Inshore
local wreck fishing is great, just don't expect to catch much.
Wed Feb 17 2010  
Email: Ray Comment/Question
Any reports on the local wreck fishing??(ling,cod,etc.)looking to get out on sat 2/20. thanks for any info.
Mon Feb 15 2010  
Email: Brian Inshore
Went fishing on a head boat out of Pt. Pleasant. Many cod, mostly barely short, and tons of ling were boated. One guy was nailing ling with a soft bait that looked like a lobster. Any idea what he was using? He said he got it at a Cabela's in PA. His rig was on fire for the ling, so if you know what it is use it, and please let me know too. I'm searching online but finding nada.
Fri Feb 05 2010  
Email: Rob Comment/Question
Guy with the quantum cabo- if you want an inexpensive rod that is surprisingly good get a tica or tsununami. I throw a 9ft.
Thu Feb 04 2010  
Email: BChandler Freshwater
I thought I was the only one that caught stripers over 28" out of National park this time of year. Please tell me I was allowed to keep it.
Sun Jan 31 2010  
Email: Fred Begun Freshwater
I think striper are in tin the river for twinter but maybe you got to get lucky b-cause cold and I think they use bloodworm around Comodore Barry. You can not keep them before March 1 season closes
Thu Jan 28 2010  
Email: Steve Freshwater
Fishing for Perch out of National Park and picked up a 30" striper, is this normal? Oh yeah, got 2 perch.
Wed Jan 27 2010  
Email: Jsimms Comment/Question
ok i need some help matching a reel with a surf rod. i'm gettin a quantum cabo spinning reel and i need a good surf rod with it. which surf rod would you think is a perfect match?????
Mon Jan 18 2010  
Email: larryN Inshore
There has been way to much concern over the saltwater license. The 10 or twenty bucks we'll spend is less than one spool of braid, a decent plug, or a days worth of gas for the beach buggy. Maybe we should worry less about a 10 dollar fee to fish, and more about whether or not fisheries Mgt will allow us to fish for anything. Don't get distracted, access to the fish is THE ISSUE we have to watch.
Sun Jan 17 2010  
Email: Joe Comment/Question
Yup, Im a jerk cause I want less governmental control over my life. Have fun being a modern day slave. Operation mockingbird, cointellipro?
Sat Jan 16 2010  
Email: John Comment/Question
I was told that with this fed lic you can fish in other states like del without a state lic also i was told since this is fed and for striper you can catch and posses striper in fed waters anyone else hear anything about that?
Fri Jan 15 2010  
Email: Tomd Inshore
joe, stop crying like a baby, you are a jerkoff.
Tue Jan 12 2010  
Email: Stan Comment/Question
Don't fish than Joe, that's more for us.
Mon Jan 11 2010  
Email: Joe Comment/Question
I will not register for the saltwater fishing license. I am NOT a slave or property of the GOVT.
Sun Jan 10 2010  
Email: Steve Posell Freshwater
Bud Lake Saturday 1-2-2010 Ice fishing. 18" Northern Pike on a tip up with large shiner. Missed another fish. Slow all around. Ice was 5 - 6" thick through out
Thu Jan 07 2010  
Email: Last Lady Fishing Charters, Neptune Inshore
BLACKFISH--Friday before storm--caught limits and released over 40 keepers.
12/24--have 2 spots available on a last minute OPEN BOAT trip (6 passenger boat). Weather looks good for Thurs. Let me know ASAP.

OPEN BOAT SCHEDULE
Sat 12/26-- Full.
Sunday 12/27--Spots open.
Dec 31 (last day for 6 tog)--Spots available.
Dec 28, 29, 30--If interested let me know. I am available.
Jan 1 OPEN TRIP when limit goes to 4 fish plus all weekends till fish stop biting.
Capt Ralph
Tue Dec 22 2009  
Email: zeke Freshwater
Sure you can eat Suckers. Just don't let the bones get stuck between your teeth. I'm kidding, they are real boney though and you have to pick the meat out. Try 'em. Zeke
Thu Dec 17 2009  
Email: Jsimms Freshwater
i went to wreck pond on saturday and caught about 4 nice size carp and i caught a 4 pound sucker fish.. the question is, can you eat sucker fish???? help me out
Wed Dec 16 2009  
Email: slyski Comment/Question

2010: free
2011: $5
2012: $10

Mon Dec 14 2009  
Email: Clark Griswold Comment/Question
So basically this is the first installation of saltwater fishing liscences? What happens if we dont register?
Fri Dec 11 2009  
Email: FRN Comment/Question
From the NJ Division of Fish and Wildlife:

The NJ DEP Division of Fish and Wildlife reminds saltwater anglers that the federal government's National Saltwater Angler Registry Program requires most New Jersey saltwater anglers to register prior to fishing in 2010.

You must register if you:

* Fish for or catch anadromous species (striped bass, shad, river herring) in state tidal waters
* Fish in Federal waters (more than 3 miles from shore)

You do not have to register if you:
* Are under 16 years of age
* Only fish on federally licensed party or charter boats
* Hold a Highly Migratory Species Angling Permit

Online and telephone registration will begin January 1, 2010.

Register online at www.countmyfish.noaa.gov or call toll free 888-674-7411.

Registration is free in 2010.
Wed Dec 09 2009  
Email: will Inshore
Thinking of going tog ( blackfish )fishing this Monday. Anybody know the best boat or a charter that is short one man etc. Anyware from Pt. Pleasent - cape may would be OK.
Sat Dec 05 2009  
Email: George Comment/Question
Dan, i had the exact same thing happen to me last year. It was some big fish pullin the stake down and everything.
Thu Nov 26 2009  
Email: Dan Surf
Had 2 lines in the water with clams today and while I was casting and ava 27 looked over my shoulder and saw one rod bent over. Ran to go pick it up as the sand spike broke in half and my rod was about to take a swim. As I dove for the rod and picked it up nothing was there. slack line=spit hook. Whatever it was was pretty damn big to snap a sand spike like that. Lesson of the story? keep a loose drag and maybe next time I wont miss a possible fish of a lifetime.
Wed Nov 25 2009  
Email: Aaron Ho Surf
Cape May was loaded with blackfish. The bite didnt start till around noon. Drop after drop was a fish on!
Mon Nov 23 2009  
Email: DAVE Inshore
Believe me when I tell you...The stripers are not gone. What a day today!!!!!
Sun Nov 22 2009  
Email: Ronone Surf
My question posted 11/18 or 11/19 regarding "stripers still here". I fish the surf at night only! (when I can)Shark River to Manasquan Inlet?
Fri Nov 20 2009  
Email: rob Comment/Question
no. read the reports. my last three trips were about as good as they come.
Fri Nov 20 2009  
Email: Ronone Comment/Question
Is the middle of the state (Shark River to Manasquan inlet)done as far as stripers are concerned? They've already passed?
Thu Nov 19 2009  
Email: FRN Inshore
From an e-mail from Capt. Jerry from Fish Monger Charters:

"11/16 Opening Day Blackfish Limits! Headed out for the big opener! Headed north where the bite was great before the blow water was filthy dirty and there was a slight swell left over ... Got anchored and had absolutely no life. Made a few moves around the Elberon and Long Branch (pieces) with no better results ... not even scratches. We only snagged a couple of shorts and had a couple bites.. Talked with others, most with similar results. Retreated with an empty box and took a big steam back to the south and in deeper water. Anchored up in 75 feet in much cleaner water. Instant life. The bite began, and it seemed the afternoon was going to treat us better! Picked away. Lots of shorts and nice size keepers. It wasnt the best bite, but it was steady, and the blackfish started to add up in the cooler, until the guys had the six-man limit Was pulling my hair out in the morning, but in the end it turned out to be a great day the guys fished hard all day to put a catch together! Around 45 Keeper size fish for the day with everyone taking home their limit of blackfish! Had at least that many short as well!"
Wed Nov 18 2009  
Email: Dave Surf
Monday evening got 17 stripers between my brother in law and myself. And between everyone who was there there was approx. 40 or so stripers caught. The next night there was 1 caught....So goes bass fishing. Of course I cant say where or there will be a crowd all of a sudden.
Thu Nov 12 2009  
Email: george Surf
all of these new limits on every kid of fish out there. come on give us a break..
Wed Nov 11 2009  
Email: zeke streletz Inshore
Saturday early morning. Blues and Stripers filled the fishfinder. Birds diving, a fishermans dream. It was kind of over by 9:30 but what a morning of fishing. The seas were calm to make it even better. Zeke
Sun Nov 08 2009  
Email: Fred Begun Inshore
Surf fishing yesterday morning starting @ 7 AM Manasquan Inlet to Seaside slow but they got a bite at daybreak. Shoulda been there then. Will go again. Earlier!!!!
Sun Nov 08 2009  
Email: Concerned Fisher Comment/Question
During my time in college many many moons ago I wrote my masters thesis on the effects of commercial and recreations fishing on marine ecosystem biomass. In one journal I read a scary statistic that claimed 70% of a commercial fishers net load is considered bycatch and discarded. which basically means the fish are suffocated and dumped back into the waters. Perhaps the government should take a look at forcing commercial fisherman to develop more ecologically friendly methods of fishing that would allow better targeting of specific species.
Fri Nov 06 2009  
Email: FRN Comment/Question

There's more:

Weakie Bag Limit Is Cut to One Fish

Thu Nov 05 2009  
Email: FRN Comment/Question

In case you didn't hear:

Winter Flounder Bag Limit Is Slashed to Two Fish

Wed Nov 04 2009  
Email: Tommy Surf
Fished sandy hook this am by the life saving station. Strong current driving north, needed 6oz to hold bottom. Caught the outgoing tide and waded out to get the line over the breakers. Couldnt go wrong once you got it there!!! 6 bass all just shy of 28" and 2 bluefish that were ~28". Best day off the surf so far this year....the fish are there....go out and get 'em
Fri Oct 30 2009  
Email: Victor Freshwater
salmon run is about over, only a few fresh fish remain. Good news is the steel head and big browns are now in the river and being caught on trout beads, egg patters, and pink worms. Best reports are coming from the Altmar area. www.fishandrideny.com
Mon Oct 26 2009  
Email: O'Fishally Ours Surf
went to Morgan beach for 3 hrs last night and not 1 hit/run off. Water was like glass-never do good in those conditions-figured I try my luck after some guy landed that 105 lb black drum a few beaches down.
Fri Oct 23 2009  
Email: lamosca Delaware Bay
2 shorts in the surf at Fortesque.Bay was flat,no wind,could see Del and Pa
Fri Oct 23 2009  
Email: LIL HOOKER Offshore
Limited out on blues. Spikes 3 to 4 lbs. Barnegat Inlet. Fishing jigs. Barnegat REEF, porgies all short. Weakies Gone. See whats Up for next week! LIL HOOKER! 20 foot pursuit!
Wed Oct 21 2009  
Email: will Inshore
Went out on the Gambler yesterday. Jigged for stripers and kept catching those pesky big sea bass. Someone needs to open a season on those things. Wound up catching a lot of blues, great weather, great day on the water. Get out and fish!
Wed Oct 21 2009  
Email: Victor Freshwater
Salmon are still running strong in the Salmon river,the upper river at the wire hole is best along with Ellis Cove, water is still high. good catches of steel head and brown trout are starting. for more information visit www.fishandrideny.com and click on additional links
Thu Oct 15 2009  
Email: FRN Comment/Question

Please take a look:

Recreational Fishing Alliance to Sue to Reopen Sea Bass Fishery
Wed Oct 14 2009  
Email: Ray Maronpot Inshore
This whole sea bass thing is rather disheartening, especially when you have a fishing day planned on the calender for a month. Oh well, just keep paying your taxes and hope for the best right? Oh yeah, not one keeper fluke this season, will they use the same cookie cutter next year? Maybe we should just eat them right on the boat! Tight lines.
Mon Oct 12 2009  
Email: Capt. David Showell, Absecon Bay Sportsman Center Inshore
We're still a few days away from the best striper fishing on the South Jersey coast, but with this cold front passing right now and the early morning tides by the end of this week things should really pick up. To get you in the fever check out the web show "Fishing The East" I shot with host Bo Higbee last October 30 in Absecon Inlet when the fishing really lit up. The link is www.fishingtheeast.com. I think you'll enjoy it and if you are interested in getting in on some of the action this year give me a call at 609-484-0409.
Sun Oct 11 2009  
Email: Stan Inshore
Fished Barnegat Bay today on my brothers boat. Perfect weather, the bay was like a lake and the fish were bitting. Caught 20 blowfish and a nice kingfish.
Tue Oct 06 2009  
Email: lamosca Comment/Question
this is not just New Jersey. This is federal waters.
Sun Oct 04 2009  
Email: ED M. Comment/Question
FIRST THE FLUKE AND BLACKFISH ,NOW BLACK SEA BASS? THIS IN AN OUTRAGE WITH NO REASON OR EXCUSE OTHER THAN MONEY GENERATED THROUGH FINES .THESE IDIOTS NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM POWER.THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT FISHING,RECREATIONAL OR COMMERCIAL AND PROBABLY HAVE NEVER WET A LINE IN THEY'RE LIVES BUT THEY ARE BEING PAID OUR TAX DOLLARS TO TAKE AWAY OUR RIGHTS OR AT LEAST MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO EXERCISE OUR RIGHTS.THERE IS A TON OF MONEY TO BE MADE IN FINES AND THATS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT ! HOW CAN THEY CLAIM N.J. IS ABOVE ITS QUOTA FOR FLUKE?IT RAINED ALMOST THE ENTIRE SEASON AND NEARLY ALL OF THE FLUKE CAUGHT HAD TO BE THROWN BACK. HOW ABOUT THE 6 FISH , 4 FISH AND 1 FISH DEAL WITH THE BLACKFISH? ITS DONE THIS WAY , NOT TO PROTECT THE FISH BUT RATHER TO TRIP UP ANYONE WHO ISNT ON TOP OF IT ALL THE TIME AND WRITE THEM A NICE HEFTY FINE, ITS THESE SAME MORONS WHO SIT ON THEY'RE ASSES ,GET PAID OUR TAX DOLLARS TO THINK OF NEW WAYS TO OPENLY DISCRIMINATE AGAINST CIGARETTE SMOKERS BY TAKING AWAY ANY OF THEY'RE RIGHTS , AND OVER PRICING AND OVER TAXING GIGARETTES BECAUSE THEY DONT LIKE SMOKING OR SMOKERS , ITS THE SAME DEAL IN THE FISHING WORLD , WE ALL ARE HAVING OUR RIGHTS SLOWLY AND SURELY TAKEN AWAY FROM US AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT , THERE WILL BE A SALTWATER FISHING LICENSE TO TOP IT ALL OFF.WELCOM TO THE U.S.S.R. ITS TIME TO GET OUT OF NEW JERSEY !!!!!!!!!!
Sun Oct 04 2009  
Email: Porgyman Inshore
What a horrible joke. I woke up this morning to the news that sea bass were being taken off the table (literally) for the recreational fishing community. This comes after a summer in which I caught all of 7 keeper fluke. (And about 250 that had to be thrown back). I'm really disgusted right now. I strongly urge everyone to join in this fight. I feel really sorry for the charter and party boat captains. But I feel worse for the guys that I see on the party boats that are really fishing for their family's dinner. In the supermarket, I have seen sea bass going for up to $16 a lb. For those guys, this is not an option. It makes more sense to pay $60 and string together a catch of 15 keeper sea bass. I read in the paper that NY just instituted a salt water license. NJ will not be far behind. When does it stop?
Sat Oct 03 2009  
Email: Jersey Coast Anglers Association Comment/Question

JCAA Press Release:
NOAA Unfairly Shuts Down Black Sea Bass
October 1, 2009


NOAA announced on September 30th that they were going to close the black sea bass fishery for 180 days starting October 5th. The stated reason is that preliminary data suggests that the recreational sector will over harvest the 2009 quota. What the NOAA release failed to state is the fact that the quota in 2009 was set too low and they are allowing the same low quota to be in place for 2010.They set the original quota in 2008 believing the stock was being overfished and overfishing was taking place. They raised the recreational size limit to 12 ½" to implement the smaller quota.

In 2008, after the new stock assessment was published and it stated that the stock was not overfished and overfishing was not occurring, NOAA did not raise the quota in response to this new information. Instead they kept an arbitrarily low quota that guaranteed overharvesting since it did not take into consideration that the stocks were larger than the they estimated. They did leave the higher 12 ½ inch size limit in place.

(continued below) 

Thu Oct 01 2009  
Email: Jersey Coast Anglers Association Comment/Question
(continued from above)

This year, when it was time to set the quota for 2010, the black sea bass quota was set by the SSC before the Monitoring Committee of the MAMFC and ASMFC met. The SSC decided to go with status quo even though the latest approved stock assessment showed that the stocks were no longer being over fished. The Monitoring Committee met after the SSC and realized that the quota they set for 2009 was based on the condition that black sea bass was overfished and overfishing was taking place. With this new information, the Monitoring Committee recommended an increase in the quota. At the joint meeting, we questioned the SSC about whether or not they had considered the same new information discussed by the Monitoring Committee when they set the quota at status quo. The response was that they had not. I made a motion asking the Monitoring Committee and SSC to hold a conference call to discuss this issue and see if there was a possibility of increasing the quota based on the available information. After a long discussion, the MAMFC voted a 10/10 tie so the motion did not move forward. The excuse given by the Council Chairman and Vice Chairman was that this would set a bad precedent. What it showed me was the callousness of these individuals relative to the needs of the recreational and commercial fishing industries? This is a new process and mistakes will be made. Until we resolve the procedural matters, there should be no problem revisiting decisions in the best interest of all concerned. For 10 council members, it wasnt important to make sure all information and recommendations were considered before final decisions were made.

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Thu Oct 01 2009  
Email: Jersey Coast Anglers Association Comment/Question
(continued from above)

After the joint meeting of the Mid-Atlantic Council and ASMFC, the ASMFC held the summer meeting in August. At this meeting we saw preliminary data that showed that the black sea bass fishery, summer flounder and scup might be exceeding their recreational targets. It was decided by ASMFC Policy Board to ask the Summer Flounder, Scup and Sea Bass Board to meet via conference call to discuss this issue. There was a conference call on sea bass, summer flounder and scup. The controversy was regarding the Marine Recreational Statistical Survey and how accurately it reflects what is actually happening. Again, this data was preliminary and had not been subject to the in house peer review. The states voted not to shut down the black sea bass fishery based on preliminary and unreviewed MRSS data. We also realized that it would be difficult too for the states to shut down through emergency action since this overage would not hurt the stocks. We realized that in December we would have to review all the data and take actions on the 2010 fishery to guarantee we stayed within quota. What NOAA did through its arrogance is put through an emergency action using preliminary without consulting the public. As the Governors Appointee to ASMFC, I was not notified prior to the release. The NJ Division of Fish and Wildlife were also not consulted or notified in advance. A release from the Mid-Atlantic Council suggests they were not consulted or notified either. This would not have happened during President Bush's administration. Bill Holgarth would have consulted with at least the state directors and council members before implementing an action like this. It seems the new director of NOAA has decided to take unilateral action. This is not how a partnership works to manage fisheries. The JCAA is calling on the recreational community to notify President Obama and our members of Congress that this is unacceptable. (Bold print here and below added by Fishing Reports Now.) We can't have Dr. Jane Lubchenco, NOAA Administrator, taking arbitrary action with no regard for or understanding of recreational fishing and the industry that it supports. This just reinforces our concerns when she replaced the recreational representatives on the Mid-Atlantic Marine Fisheries Council. We also need for each of you to contact your Governors and Legislators, asking them to take whatever action they can. We need for NOAA to rescind this closure immediately. We need NOAA to get the Monitoring Committee and Science and Statistical Committee to establish realistic quotas.

We have all seen the stimulus packages to bail out banks and the auto industry. We have all seen the stimulus packages that are designed to create jobs in both the public and private sectors. These actions by NOAA on black sea bass and red snapper in the Gulf are doing exactly the opposite. If this continues NOAA will have created another economic crisis and increased the unemployment roles. This time we need to avoid the problem and find a common sense solution before we need another bailout. JCAA will keep you posted on our upcoming action on this issue.

Questions should be directive to
Thomas Fote
Legislative Chairman
22 Cruiser Court
Toms River, NJ 08753
Phone 732-270-9102
Fax 732-506-6409
tfote@jcaa.org
Thu Oct 01 2009  
Email: Bill G Inshore
Hankering for some kingfish. Been fishing by boat and by surf in the Margate area. Have not had very much luck. refering to my journal i find this odd as I have caught in past this time of year. Anyone had any luck this year?
Mon Sep 28 2009  
Email: stephen fox Offshore
Fished 15 miles off shore on a party boat out of Belmar NJ. Fishing was great we caught numerous albacore tuna on squid baits and small jigs. 12 to 13 pound blues. Albacore was 8 to 10 pounds . Great day offishing. It was on sept 22 2009.
Thu Sep 24 2009  
Email: 56Nelson Comment/Question
Looking for info on the Freddy -c out Leonardo. I undrestand that Freddy is in the Hosp, however he does have other Capt. running his boat does anyone know if the boat is going out an what are they fishing for. Or phone #. Thank you.
Sat Sep 19 2009  
Email: SI Osprey Surf
Fishing the graveyard shift from the surf in Raritan Bay on Saturday night was calm and peaceful, but not exactly fishy.
Mon Sep 14 2009  

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